BB News No. 87 dtd 15 Sep 2000

THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS - No. 87 DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY (issued biweekly by Gerald Berghold) September 15, 2000 (all rights reserved) o WHEN SENDING EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGES, INCLUDE NAME AND OLD ADDRESS AS WELL AS NEW ADDRESS! o NOTICE: ROOTS WEB IS NO LONGER ACCEPTING MONETARY CONTRIBUTIONS. CHECK THEIR NEW POLICY AND HOMEPAGE AT www.rootsweb.com. Note to recipients. If you don't want to receive these Burgenland Bunch newsletters, use the Membership Forms to update your status. We can't help with non-Burgenland family history. Comments and articles are appreciated. Please add your full name to email. Our staff and web site addresses are listed at the end of newsletter section "B". Introductions, notes and articles without a by-line are written by the editor. This first section of the 3-section newsletter contains the articles: - BB Picnic Reports - Allentown Ethnic Change - Flag Source - NY Times Travel Section Features Burgenland Area - More on Spelling of Names - More on the Mongolian Question - Village of Origin - Weiskirchen? - News From Chicago. We now have 561 readers and 571 members. BB PICNIC REPORTS (from Susan Peters & Klaus Gerger) Burgenland Bunch Picnic-2000 (USA) (see pictures by clicking on "Picnic" from homepage) Susan writes: The 3rd annual Burgenland Bunch picnic was held on Sunday, 13 August, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It was a perfect day to exchange information, see old friends, and meet new friends. The temperature was in the lower 80's and it was partly cloudy. About 52 people attended this year and again came from near and far. (That number may be low as there were a few who didn't get the opportunity to sign in.) Kathleen Kelly came in from New York City, and of course, Bill and Monica Peters from Sarasota, Florida. There were also the Schönfelders from Texas and the Elli family from Chicago. Others drove from as close as two miles and from as far as 120 miles. It is always appreciated that people make such an effort to attend. Mike Kirchmeier, who ended up sleeping in his truck last year because he couldn't find a hotel room was able to find a spot on a nice comfy couch this year. There were many new faces and also ones who come back regularly year after year. Real friendships are starting to form that can only happen when meeting in person. An attempted call to Klaus Gerger, who was having a Burgenland Bunch gathering simultaneously in Burgenland, was complicated by the use of cell phones. Unknown about the two phones that were available was that neither service plan included the ability to call internationally. About an hour later, someone discovered there was a pay phone just around the corner. So the call was completed using a calling card. (see picture) Unfortunately, the gathering in Burgenland was already done. Happily, we were able to speak to Klaus and find out that his get-together was successful and even included two Americans from Chicago. We are still waiting for our first attendees from Burgenland and have high hopes some will be coming next year! Again, the food that was brought to share was great!!! Rosemary Stifter made two kinds of strudel that were wonderful! One was poppy seed and apple and the other was apple and currant. You had to act fast to be fortunate enough to have a piece of either! There were many beautiful and delicious salads and desserts, and no one left hungry. There seemed to be two distinct groups of people. Those who came to do some serious research and share data, and those who came to just enjoy themselves and socialize. Regardless of what camp you were in, everyone seemed to have a good time. Some people had pictures to share about their recent trips to Burgenland, and some were discussing plans for their trips coming up in the near future. Some brought their portable PC's and really got down to business. Pictures, books and data were exchanged all around. There were several door prizes awarded, three of which were provided by Klaus Gerger. After a snafu caused by the fact that the names from last year were left in the box, the prizes were finally given away to the happy winners. Reflecting on all that has transpired through history since Burgenländers started to immigrate to the United States, it is a wonderment that we all gather to celebrate our heritage, brave ancestors, and the place we all love whether in the U.S. or Austria: Burgenland. AND A NOTE CONCERNING THE SIMULTANEOUS BURGENLAND GATHERING (from Klaus Gerger, who also sent us a picture of attendees) Klaus writes: Hi Susan, we just have one picture (attached) and none showing me with my mobile phone connected to you. The picture is taken in front of the Auswanderer Museum (Güssing). Heinz Koller with his wife an Mr. Weinhofer and Mr. Dujmovits jun. from the BG joined us later. We had a guided tour by Mr. Bartl in the Josef Reichl and Auswanderer Museum. After a little "Schnaps" we drove to Steingraben to the Gasthaus Thomanek where we sat and talked (with fine food and ice cream) the whole afternoon. One of the outcomes was that the BG (Burgenländische Gemeinschaft) will start a web site and publish some selected articles in the English language. Inge Schuch offered to translate a few articles for us. After the meeting I had some talks with Dr. Dujmovits and Mr. Pratl, so I'm optimistic for the web site. Best wishes, Klaus PS: in the picture standing from left, Gerhard Lang and his wife, the husband of Margot Zappe, the parents of Inge an Albert Schuch, and Fred Bush with his wife fom Chicago,(sitting) from left Margot Zappe (she is planning a tripto Chicago) and Inge Schuch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Hi Klaus,I hope everything is going well for you. James Grassinger put these pictures of the BB picnic on this website. I thought you might like to see them. Do you have any pictures of your get-togther? Pehaps we could put one of ours and one of yours on the BB website for a short time? Best Wishes, Susan http://www.cartogra.com/Home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=455168 ALLENTOWN, PA, ETHNIC CHANGE (from The Morning Call, By KEITH HERBERT 08/12/00) (Ed. Note: Allentown has gone from English Quaker to Palatinate (PA Dutch) to Austro/Hungarian/Croatian, Italian and Syrian to Hispanic - 250 years of ethnic change! Will some Puerto Rican descendant be hosting a "Puerto Rican Bunch" a few generations from now?) Allentown Puerto Rican Day parade put on hold after 2 years of troubles. Organizers hope a quieter celebration next year will restore its original purpose. Organizers have canceled next year's Allentown Puerto Rican Day parade, which has become controversial because of post-parade rowdiness the past two years. But Rita Inglesias, president of the Puerto Rican Parade Committee, said Friday the group may reverse its decision if it can find a way to resolve the problems surrounding the parade by July. (more detail followed). FLAG SOURCE (from Dale M. Knebel) I bought my Hungarian and Austrian flags at Alamo Flags in the Mall of America (South Dakota). I just checked to see if they have a website and you can access it at www.alamoflags.com NY TIMES TRAVEL SECTION FEATURES BURGENLAND AREA (from Bob Loerzel) Bob writes: Hi, Today's New York Times Travel section has a story about Burgenland and the neighboring part of Hungary. You can see it online at http://www.nytimes.com/library/travel/europe/000820pann.html. I'm not sure how long they will keep it posted on the Internet, so I've pasted a copy of it at the bottom of this e-mail. The print version includes some additional photos and a map of the area. The article is called: Lifted by Music And Torn by Politics By MICHAEL RATCLIFFE (Ed. Note: I have the article, but I'm not sure of the copyright so I won't be printing it. It is an excellent article and worth the effort to download or find a printed copy.) MORE ON SPELLING OF NAMES Fritz Königshofer writes to Connie Wright: Connie, I read your exchange of messages with Albert Schuch in the new BB newsletter (86B). It seems to me that Schali might be a German phonetic spelling of the Hungarian name Sali. Similar forms are Saly, Säli and Säly. These are names the Hungarians would have pronounced Shalee or nearly Sholee (when there is no accent on the a). This was a name quite present in old Western Hungary. There are many options for the other name. It could be Piech, Piecs, Pietsch, Pitz, Pitzl, Pecz, Petz, Pirzl, Pierzl and more. You will need the context of the village and a search of the actual records (or of today's phone directory) to obtain a grip on this name. I am sure you already know the on-line phone directory sites for Austria (www.etb.at) and Hungary (http://www.matav.hu/tudakozo/index_e.html), where you can get your own impression of the frequency and distribution of these names. MORE ON THE MONGOLIAN QUESTION This subject has stirred up a lot of interest. Although we realize that definitive proof of a Magyar-Mongolian connection will probably never be forthcoming, it makes an interesting diversion from census and church records. Kathleen Kelly writes: Subj: Re: Mongolian Connection Thank you for forwarding Felix Game's email to me. I found it very interesting, and I also enjoyed perusing his website. I received only one email with respect to your article on the possible Mongolian Connection (the origins of the Tschida name generated several, all thanking me for the information). John Kaintz found the article "fascinating" and he said that for years he joked about "GGGGG, etc. Uncle Attila. In reality it was probably the Khan Dynasty who left their mark on (and their genes in) modern Hungary and now the Burgenland." He went on to say that his Tschida ancestors had a more eastern appearance with dark hair and complexions, and very angular faces. I am going to the BB Picnic in St. Paul (my first trip to MN), and I am very much looking forward to meeting some of the other members. I attribute many of these wonderful occurrences and exchanges of information to you. You have made so much possible with your founding of the BB Group, and with your continuing dedication and interest in all matters relating to Burgenland genealogy. I cannot thank you enough. Kurt Heinrich writes: Concerning the question as to where the Magyars came from, I recall a funny story a Hungarian cousin of my mother, a striking blue eyed blonde, told me, when I asked her how come she did not look Asian: "About 900 AD, the Magyars, having left the Asian steppes, and traveled west for many years, entered the valley of the Danube. As is usual with nomads, the men went first, on their shaggy horses. Behind, in their covered wagons, went the women, the children, and the old people. The men liked the place and decided to stay. But behind them, the next wave of migrants (perhaps the Avars?) followed them. They took the wagons, the women and the children, and they killed the old folks. The Hungarians said: 'What do we do now? Left without our wives and children, we have to take other people's women! So they did, and they never stopped until this day. And that's why I am blonde and blue-eyed." This story, though facetious, shows that language, names and official history are not unfailing sources of genealogy. The Hungarians I knew certainly did not look like Mongols. My reply: True, but dominant genes still prevail and perhaps the current research in this area will make genealogy obsolete. All we'll need will be some hair or bone fragments! Heh, heh! We grasp at straws when we enter the never-never land of pre-recorded history. I always told my grandmother that one of her ancestors was caught by a Mongol. Always good for a wet dish towel in the face. Maybe an ancestor of your blue-eyed blonde was caught by an "Aryan" mercenary! The Avars established a Khanate in the Burgenland region (including most of the Roman Provinces of Pannonia and Noricum) from about 600AD-800AD. Charlemagne and the Franks put an end to it about 796AD. The Franks then established the Eastern March or "Östmark" as a duchy. When the Magyars arrived (896AD) they allied themselves with the remnants and gave western Europe a rough time until 955AD when they were defeated at Lechfeld (near Augsburg). They then withdrew to the Hungarian plain and established the country we know as Hungary today. Contemporary sources say the Magyars were initially "pushed" from their temporary home on the Black Sea and drawn westward to more fertile regions by an alliance of Pechenegs and Bulgars. VILLAGE OF ORIGIN - WEISKIRCHEN? Given the European spelling of your immigrant ancestor's name and the village of origin, you have the keys to your family history. The village name is often a problem. While I was certain the village of this query was not in the area of the Burgenland, I decided to help as it is a classic example of village problems and their resolution. Kathleen Densham writes: I am trying to locate any relatives of my Grandparents: Rudolph Trenn (born April 26, 1884) and Marie Raudensky (born October 29, 1982) in Weiskirchen, Austria-Hungary. They emigrated to the USA and were married and lived in Enhaut, Pennsylvania, my hometown. Marie Raudensky Trenn's sister Katharina Sattler geb. Raudensky was born April 17, 1908 and was still alive in 1968 as I have a newspaper article and picture from Weiskirchner Nachrichten. She was the widow of Ernest Sattler. The names I am trying to find are: Raudensky, Trenn and Sattler. I do not speak German, but could get someone to interpret for me if necessary. I would love to bring my family to my grandparents hometown. I reply: No need to know German. English is the language of the BB although some of our sources are German, Hungarian, Serbo-Croatian and Latin. Not to worry. There are two villages named Weiskirchen in Austria. Neither are in the Burgenland, so we can't help you there. One is in Upper Austria (northwest of Vienna), the other is in Styria (north of Graz). One of our contributing editors is Fritz Königshofer and he is very knowledgeable about Styria. Using your family names, he may be able to give you some help. I'm copying him. The reference to the Weiskirchner Nachrichten (newspaper) is also a clue. Where is Enhaut, PA? I do not find it in the list of PA post offices. (Kathleen later responds that Enhaut, Pennsylvania is in South-central Pennsylvania, about 10 miles from Harrisburg, which is the capital and about 5 miles from Three Mile Island, Middletown, PA, - which is a well known immigrant enclave due to the nearby steel works and railroad yards.) Fritz Königshofer writes: Kathleen, Your question on the Weis(s)kirchen of your grandparents is quite a challenge. First of all, are you sure it is spelled Weiskirchen (with one s) or Weisskirchen, which in German script is normally spelled with a sharp s in the form Weißkirchen [Just this moment, I erroneously sent off this unfinished message to you when I tried to print the sharp s]. What is the precise spelling on the newsletter article you have? Weißkirchen means "Whitechurch" which was a frequent town name. I am skeptical whether the town of your ancestors could be the Weisskirchen near Judenburg in Styria, as it is not a large enough town to normally have had a newspaper. In Hungary, only the Weisskirchen in the Banat region would qualify based on size and number of German inhabitants. The Hungarians called this town Fehértemplom. Of its 12,000 inhabitants in 1910, about half were ethnic Germans. Today, the town is in Yugoslavia (Serbia), right east of and relatively near to Belgrade, and has the name Bela Crkva. You could check the web sites of the Donauschwaben at, e.g., http://www.feefhs.org/banat/bdb/townban.html and http://www2.genealogy.net/gene/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm. At the second of these sites, go to Banat, letter W, and find the description of Weisskirchen. When you follow the bibliography, you will find that a lot has been published about this Weisskirchen, including a book of family names, though almost everything listed is in German. There was also a Weisskirchen in the north of Bohemia, near the border to Silesia/Prussia. When I get my next chance to visit Budapest, I'll check whether there was a newspaper called Weisskirchner Nachrichten published in the Hungarian Weisskirchen. If it was published, then the National Library might even have a collection of this newspaper. Fritz later writes: Kathleen, I just played a little on the web site of Jänos Bogärdi at http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g079.shtml, who has indexed and automated something one could call the Hungarian yellow pages of 1892 (lists of shopkeepers and craftsmen). It has only one name Tren (no Trenn) in all of Hungary and this name occurs in old Temes county, where also one Sattler has an entry! I still cannot place the name Raudensky, but I believe you have pretty good corroboration now that the Weisskirchen in old county Temes, now in Yugoslavia, might indeed be the place you are looking for. By the way, all Germans were cleansed from the Banat region right at the end of WW-II. This fact encouraged descendents more than other Germans to write down their history. And even later: Kathy, Your paper mail arrived with the article from the Weisskirchner Nachrichten. I am glad you sent it. The conclusion from reading the article is that we are back at the Weisskirchen in old Hungary (Fehértemplom, Bela Crkva). The Weisskirchner Nachrichten must be a post-WW-II newsletter published by and for the former ethnic German inhabitants of Weisskirchen (the refugees, so to speak) who now, after their expulsion, lived all over Germany and Austria. If you get in touch with Donauschwaben or Banatdeutschen via the web sites I gave you, somebody may be able to tell you where the Weisskirchner Nachrichten had been published and whether they are still in print. My mother is a displaced ethnic German from northern Moravia, and she still receives a monthly or so newsletter called Beskidenpost published for all these Germans who had lost their homes in Northern Moravia at the end of WW-II and now mainly live in Germany and Austria. The newsletters ("Nachrichten") were a prime medium for the German refugees to keep contact. The fact that there happens to be a village called Weisskirchen near Leonding, where Katharina Sattler nee Raudensky lived in 1968 turns out to be a pure coincidence! The article you sent me clarifies the question of the "right" Weisskirchen for you, as it lists birthdays etc. of people living all over Germany as well. It also states the street and house addresses of the families when they still lived in Bela Crkva, before being expelled from Yugoslavia, such as Wendelinigasse in case of Ernest Sattler. One of these other addresses in your article is telling, as its name is Orschowaer Gasse, and Orschowa was a town in the neighboring county of old Weisskirchen in Hungary! If you have any question on this, let me know. However, it is clear now, that Leonding near Linz in Upper Austria was the place where the Sattler family lived after being expelled from Weisskirchen in the Banat region, Temes county, of old Hungary, now Bela Crkva in Yugoslavia. Your ancestors were Banat Germans. NEWS FROM CHICAGO (from Chicago editor Tom Glatz and Mary Eckert) Sorry that I have not written or sent anything in a while. One of these days I will clean up this room & send you some more things as promised. The BB may be interested in the following. Maybe those in the Chicago area would have an interest: H.E. Bishop Paul Iby, Bishop of Burgenland, who resides in Eisenstadt, is coming to America for a visit. I know he will be in the Washington D. C. area. I don't know of the details for that part of his trip. However he will be in Chicago to say Mass on Sunday, October 22, 2000, at 11:00 AM. It will be at St. Bernadette Church, 9343 S. Francisco Ave., Evergreen Park, IL. Afterwards there will be a dinner in his honor at the Martinique Restaurant, 2500 W. 95th St., also in Evergreen Park. Tickets for the event are $35.00 & can be purchased from Irene Varga, 6242 N. Newcastle Ave., Chicago, Il There will be Austrian/German type music. Dinner includes cocktail hour, complete prime rib dinner, open bar, & the music. I will of course be there. Mary Eckert also writes: Make checks payable to Burgenlandische Gemeinschaft and mail to Irene Varga, 6242 N. Newcastle Avenue, Chicago, Il. 60631. For additional information contact John Radostits at 708-425-3415 or Irene Varga at 773-631-4521. For the last 2 months the Burgenländische Gemeinschaft (BG) in Chicago was able to find another place to have meetings. Fortunately they were held on Sundays & I was able to attend. However this was only because it was outside of the wedding season. So in the Autumn the meetings are back to Fridays & I will not be able to attend. There is great interest in reviving the annual Chicago BG Christmas Party this December. They also want to include the Goulash & roast pork Burgenland style as was done in the past. This is good news for the BG here if it works out. I had a long conversation with Bob Strauch (Allentown BG correspondent and contact with the Austro-Hungarian Veteran's Club)& everything is the same as usual in Allentown. Regards, Tom Glatz (newsletter continues as no. 87A) THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS - No. 87A DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY (issued biweekly by Gerald Berghold) September 15, 2000 This second section of the 3-section newsletter contains: - Correspondence With Felix Game - Why Family History? - A Bedtime Story For Little Ones - and Maybe Some Not So Little - How To Proceed (as well as How Not To Proceed) With Limited Data CORRESPONDENCE WITH FELIX GAME In newsletter no. 81, Felix Game was introduced to our membership. He had provided an invitation to visit his family history site at: www.austro-hungarian-genealogy-translations.com If you missed our previous introduction, Felix Game is a well known member of the Association of Professional Genealogists. He is a research specialist for Austria and Hungary and is also a professional translator in those languages. He has written for many publications. We are proud to have him as one of our readers. Having taken a short break from editing the BB newsletter, I recently took a busman's holiday and spent some time at his web site. What I found there prompted me to enter into some correspondence which I'd like to share. I sent the following to Felix Game: I don't have to publish another newsletter until Sept. 15, and since I won't be leaving for Europe (France) for another week, I can further my own historical research. I just viewed your entire website and printed your great articles concerning Budaörs, German Migration and the Ethnic German Farmers around 1800. A really fine piece of work which summarizes a lot of data. Some thoughts arise as I read your articles concerning migration to Fejer Megye. I see many similarities to the colonizing conditions in Vas Megye, but there are also some striking differences. One involves timing of settlement. I have a translation of a Canonical Visitation in 1697 to the parish of Heiligenkreuz am Lafnitz (now district of Jennersdorf; pre-1921 Szt. Gotthard). The original was translated from the Latin by Father Gratian Leser, Prior of Güssing Cloister in the 1930s. I also have a translation of an Urbar (Batthyány family archives) for 1693 for the same village. Both mention the earliest Bergholds I have been able to unearth. My descendant path from there to the present has a few gaps in the earlier years, but is fairly linked with baptisms, marriages and deaths from the early 1700s (I was able to trace family prior to 1770 by using the 1770-1828 church records extant at Martin Luther Kirche in Eltendorf and the LDS 1828-1896, Eltendorf Civil 1896-1921). This seems to indicate the family migrated pre-1697 (probably from the area around Graz since the name still exists in some of the surrounding rural villages and they were and are still Lutherans - Augsburg Confession). Refugees from Catholicization of Styria who maybe migrated around 1600? What's interesting is that the western Vas was still unsettled re: Turkish raids at that time - perhaps being slightly further west than Fejer county, they may have escaped most of the Turkish battles and raids of withdrawal. Your family name origin appears to be as late as pre-1792. Could it be part of the earliest Donau-Swabian movement? I've come to the conclusion that the migration of my families were prior to that movement. Another difference is the origin of the migrating families. Those in Vas Megye nearest the (then) Austrian-Styrian border seem to have come from Austria (Styria / Lower Austria) as opposed to Bavaria, Swabia, etc. Obviously the first settlers would take closest land and many western Vas villages had "empty" holdings, beginning with Rudersdorf (first village east of Fürstenfeld). Like you I've run into a brick wall with the earliest group. Nothing seems to address their birth place with any degree of proof. Slightly north, however, in the district of Güssing, it looks like I have another story. Here the Germanic names (Sorger in my case) appear later, around 1727. While I've seen the name spelled "Szorger" (Hungarian version) I believe it may be Swabian or Franconian. In checking Bogardi's web site I find the Berghold name appears in (1891) Komaron and Behar Megye as well. The Sorger name, while heaviest in Vas Megye, appears in 6 others. Conclusions: Why can't we find Batthyány (Zichy in your case) archives which identify the settlers to their regions? At least in the Batthyány case, the archives are voluminous and in Budapest. Given the large amount of correspondence found concerning the Croatian migration to Batthyány territory, I'd think they also would have documented any Germanic settlement as well. Have you ever considered whether there was counter migration from the eastern to the western counties within Hungary? Fleeing Turkish invasion perhaps? If so, this may account for my finding family names (and they are not common) to the east of Vas. Of course, they may also be later migration eastwards as the border regions filled up. What we could really use is a migration chart showing group movement over time. I wonder if we'll ever have the data for one? I also wonder about family survival. Are some of our family names remnants from earlier periods (all the way back to the settlement of Güssing by Germans in the 11th Century)? Fascinating but confusing! I would like your opinion concerning another question. Would you agree that most, if not all, migration to Hungary in the period in question, would have been group movement as opposed to individuals? The reason I ask is that group movement would possibly be documented (parish register, movement permission, Viennese clearances, settlement contracts, etc.). Felix Game responds: Hello Gerry, you write:
"I just spent some time viewing your entire website and printing your great articles concerning Budaörs, etc." Thank you very much for the kind words. "I see many similarities to the colonizing conditions in Vas Megye, but there are also some striking differences. One involves timing of settlement. This seems to indicate the family migrated pre-1697. "This scares me a bit. In my mind that would cause all sorts of problems for us poor researchers. First of all, it would immediately push you back the 150 years to before the Turkish occupation. I cannot perceive any colonists moving to Hungary while the Turks were there. That leaves us with that part of the population of Hungary which neither fled nor was dragged off or killed by the Turks. No doubt there were some, else why would the Turks have set up sophisticated bureaucracy to collect taxes? Next, I figure that if they went to Hungary before the Turks, they would have had to arrive there early in the 1500s, and I doubt that we could find any records extant of that period; look how much trouble we already have getting through the 1700s. The exception to this are noble families who are documented because of the land they owned, and because periodically they had to prove their nobility over and over again, which was registered in the counties of their domicile. However, even that would be little solace because our skills in reading and interpreting Latin would be totally inadequate for those old documents - I know mine would. It would be fun though. (Ed. Note: perhaps some more Austrian/Hungarian scholars in need of a Master's or Doctoral dissertation would do the original translation and our German-English translators would do the rest.)" Your letter did me a lot of good in that it made me refocus on that Budaörs problem and, while I looked over my article, I realized that there is an important clue I never got around to following: It is where a family chronicle quotes someone saying "We belonged to the parish of Turbal." It had skipped my mind but now, thanks to you, I have it back in focus. I just checked the FHLC and there are six films available for Törökbälint, which is the present name of Groß Turbal; the first two films would have the period on them that could have that Fasching I am looking for, the one who married in Budörs in 1792. I will be ordering those films ASAP. I thank you for being such a good catalyst! "Another difference is the origin of the migrating families. Those in Vas Megye nearest the (then) Austrian-Styrian border seem to have come from Austria (Styria / Lower Austria) as opposed to Bavaria, Swabia, etc. Obviously the first settlers would take closest land and many western Vas villages had "empty" holdings, beginning with Rudersdorf (first village east of Fürstenfeld)." We have mostly only our imaginations. In my mind there are two distinct methods of immigration to Hungary, walking or riding on a wagon, or floating down a river. It is quite obvious which method the "Danube Svabians" used. The Austrians living literally in walking distance of Vas megye would have drifted across over time, and not necessarily in groups. Whenever there was a recruiting drive, it always started with the closest neighbors. Austria would have been closest and Burgenland is, of course, about as close as you can get in Austria. When recruits from one area became scarce, the agents would go further a field, and got into Bavaria, the Black Forest, Baden, Württemberg, and up the Rhine Valley to Alsace Lorraine and the Saar. So yes, the closer people got to the closer vacant land, but I would like to think that since most of the colonists were experienced farmers, they would have considered the quality of the soil more important than the distance. Also, the powers who owned the land had their own needs and would direct new colonists where they needed them the most. I don't visualize the process like today's house hunting where they colonist could point and say "I'll take this one". "Another story. Here, the Germanic names (Sorger in my case) appear later, around 1727. While I've seen the name spelled "Szorger" (Hungarian version)I believe it may be Swabian or Franconian." Well, I took a quick look through the various Werner Hacker books and while there are Sorg, Sorgh and Sorge, there aren't any Sorger mentioned - neither in the Baden, Breisgau, nor the Rheinisch Pfalz and Saarland. "In checking Bogardi's web site I find the Berghold name appears in (1891) Komaron and Behar Megye as well. The Sorger name, while heaviest in Vas Megye, appears in 6 others." That is not surprising unless you want to say that Berghold is a very rare name. "Conclusions: Why can't we find Batthyány (Zichy in your case) archives which identify the settlers to their regions? At least in the Batthyány case, the archives are voluminous and in Budapest." I know two answers for that. The first, and fairly embarrassing one, is that most of us don't look for them all that much. This is certainly true in my case. I have gone to great length to document the various owners of my ancestral village but I only find minor players, nothing along the magnitude of a Batthyány or Eszterhäzy, but little fish who may not even have had a private archive ever. Secondly, and I am speaking here mostly of Austrian law - thinking that it would be not much different in Hungary - there has never been a legal obligation for the great land-holding families to deposit their archives with the national archives of their country. So there may be lots of private archives in private hands, and all we can hope for is that some pot-smoking descendant doesn't make a bonfire of them at the next party. "What we could really use is a migration chart showing group movement over time. I wonder if we'll ever have the data for one?" Hacker amassed a formidable treasure trove of data. His books get into many local/regional incentives for leaving and the years are well identified. What immediately becomes obvious is that emigrants from any particular place went in several directions. You could have a bunch go to Galicia, some to East Germany, some to Hungary and some to the USA. So how would one chart this kind of migration? "family survival. Are some of our family names remnants from earlier periods (all the way back to the settlement of Güssing by Germans in the 11th Century!) Fascinating but confusing!"
This would probably require a bit of a research detour into naming conventions. I am not at all sure that all people had family names back in the 11th century. (Ed. I realize there were few or no surnames that early - I was only thinking that there may be surviving descendants who later, 16th-17th Centuries, took names which survive today.) My gut feel tells me that a few people would have gone together, but that is not what I am seeing in such works as Hacker's. They would instead go as families and it probably had to do with each family having to individually battle the authorities for the manumission papers, their permission to leave, and the paying of the required "tax" before being allowed to leave. Ideally such families would have at least one grown son but hopefully more to take on the hard work of restoring abandoned fields, or of breaking new ground to be turned into tillable land. Occasionally I have seen two separate families but of the same name leave a village in Germany and show the same destination. I don't consider these as "groups" - at least not as groups organized right from the start amongst themselves. I did see a number of seemingly unrelated families from the same area finish up in the same Hungarian village, but that could have been arranged that way by the recruiting agents or the bureaucrats or the landholder where this was not the Crown, but an ecclesiastical holding or a family estate, etc. There is so much to learn, and so little time. Regards <felix> He later writes: Since you showed such admirable interest in my articles, I want to make sure that you become aware of the latest one I have added just yesterday. It goes by the title of "Why did they want to emigrate?" and can be found at http://www.austro-hungarian-genealogy-translations.com/whyemigrate.html WHY FAMILY HISTORY? - A BED TIME STORY FOR LITTLE ONES (and maybe some who are not so little) I've devoted much of my last fifteen years to pursuing family history. At times my interest in the past takes me away from the future for too long a period of time. I'm then often asked why. I frequently give various reasons depending on who is asking the question. One answer that I cherish more than any other is one I once gave to one of my granddaughters. I then incorporated it as an epilogue in a family history called "Berghold-Neubauer Descendants" which I privately published in 1995. Sometimes when I find I need a little encouragement to keep me going, I take it out and read it. I'd like to share it with you. You may wish to adapt it for your own use. * EPILOGUE * A BEDTIME STORY FOR LITTLE ONES Once upon a time there were three brothers named Johann, Josef and Franz and four sisters named Julianna, Theresia, Cecilia, and Anna. Their family name was Berghold and they lived in a little village called Poppendorf in a place called the Burgenland (which means castle country) in the old Kingdom of Austria - Hungary, far away across the ocean in southern Europe. Their father and mother had a Gasthaus, or small inn, and the father had been a blacksmith. He shoed so many horses that he made enough money to build the Gasthaus in 1875. It is still standing today, 120 years later, on a road which goes from the village of Heiligenkreuz, on the Austrian border with Hungary, to the big city of Furstenfeld, Austria. There were many mouths to feed and there was not enough work for the brothers and so, beginning in 1901, they joined many other Burgenlanders who could find no work at home and they went to the ocean and sailed to America. After a long voyage their ship landed at New York and they took a train to the prosperous city of Allentown, Pennsylvania where they settled, because there was lots of work available in the breweries and mills. Some people they knew were living there and their own German language was spoken, because other Burgenlanders had come there before them. They were welcome and happy in the new land, but they never forgot their homeland and they often thought of their family and friends back home. They worked hard, learned English, married three Burgenland girls (Fannie, Julia, and Julia) who knew the brothers back home. They became American citizens, and they had many children, who also had many children. It is because they came and stayed in America that we were born Americans and live in this fine country. The sisters stayed in Poppendorf and helped their parents with the Gasthaus, but some of them also married and the children of one of them named Mirth also came to America and they settled in Allentown, New York and St. Louis. Other children eventually went to Rudersdorf, another town in the Burgenland, and to Vienna and Munich and Greece and today we have cousins living in many places both in this country and in Europe. There are even some left in the Burgenland. This is a true story and not a fairy tale, but a hundred years after the brothers came to America, the story was almost forgotten and no one knew all the pieces. Along came a grandchild of one of these brothers. He had been to Poppendorf, had seen the Gasthaus and visited the cousins and learned more of the story and he thought "wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if this story was put in a book", so he collected all the bits and pieces and put them in this book. You can read it some day when you grow up and wonder where the Bergholds came from. I'll bet the brothers would be glad that their story wasn't forgotten and so will you and your children, and your children's children. HOW TO PROCEED (AND HOW NOT TO PROCEED) WITH LIMITED DATA (with help from Fritz Königshofer) As the BB gets older, we attract more readers. Lately, a number have presented queries with little data except a name and some vague association with Austria. Many also crop up on the Burgenland Query Board, including some that are obviously from geographic areas hundreds of miles distant from the Burgenland. In this age of instant gratification, some people obviously feel that if they furnish a name to someone hosting a family history board, they will receive a family history. I often feel we should ignore requests like this. Pursuing them is almost hopeless and a waste of time, even when the family name appears to be one found in the Burgenland. Then we get soft- hearted and try to provide a little direction. After all, we were once new to this game ourselves. My most recent query of this sort was an ill-mannered boor from California, who after receiving some introductory data and our welcome letter, responds "I'm 21 years old and all that was 150 years ago. I don't care where the borders are. Either you can help me (provide a genealogy?) or not. Stop wasting my time!" Not exactly the best way to ask someone to help you. He's been deleted from my files and I've blocked his address permanently. Staff member Fritz Königshofer is most adept at answering queries when the data is a little more explicit and his Burgenland Query Board replies are classics. Examples follow: Burgenland Province, Austria Queries. A new message, "ZEMLOCK," was posted by Aaron Zemlock on Thu, 07 Sep 2000 Surname: Zemlock, Zemlyak. The message reads as follows: "I am searching for info on my 4th Great Grandfather and his wife. His name was Paulus Zemlyak and his wife was Paulina Juraszovich. They had a son Georgius Zemlyak on 4-10-1821. I believe they came from Oslip, Austria, formerly Oszlop, Hungary. Any info is welcome." Burgenland Province, Austria Queries A new message, "Juraszovich, Zemlyak," was posted by Fritz Königshofer on Thu, 07 Sep 2000. It is a response to "ZEMLOCK," posted by Aaron Zemlock on Thu, 07 Sep 2000. The message reads as follows: "Please try out the Austrian phone directory at www.etb.at. Enter Juraso., Juraszo., and Jurasso. under name, and see what you get. Include the dots at the end, as these originally Croat names can be spelled -cs, -ch, and -ts at the end. Click "Weitere Einträge" to obtain all entries. Do the same with the name Zemlyak. There are still a few who live in Oslip. You also need to visit the site of the Burgenland Bunch. Find "names searched" by members, and you will see that at least one member searches Zemlyak and Jurasovich." Burgenland Province, Austria Queries. A new message, "Martin Stumpfel m Marie Muhl-Kemeten @ 1887," was posted by Beverly Quance Baugham on Sat, 02 Sep 2000. Surname: Stumpfel, Muhl, Quance, Baugham. The message reads as follows: "My great-grandparents, Martin Stumpfel (1860-1938) & Marie Muhl (1862-1926) immigrated to Pittsburgh, PA, in 1902 from the village of Kemeten in Burgenland. They sailed on the HANOVER from Bremen, with their children, Martin, Teresa (Tessie), Gustav, and Maria (Mayme). I am seeking information from anyone familiar with this line. I am also interested in obtaining birth records. Beverly Quance Baughamsando99@mindspring.com" Burgenland Province, Austria Queries. A new message, "Mühl and Stumpfel in Kemeten," was posted by Fritz Königshofer on Sun, 03 Sep 2000. It is a response to "Martin Stumpfel m Marie Muhl-Kemeten @ 1887," posted by Beverly Quance Baugham on Sat, 02 Sep 2000. The message reads as follows: "Have you been in touch with the Burgenland Bunch? Look at the members list, the names searched, and the villages searched. Several members are interested in Kemeten; one of the members searches even the same names as you do. Look also at the archives, as you will see that newsletter no. 60 covered Kemeten. You may have to copy and paste the article into the Notepad or into Word to make it easily readable. You should also be able to find out more through the microfilms of the parish records (so-called duplicates) covering 1828-1895, and the civil records covering 1895 till 1920, as available from LDS. To get an idea, go to http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp, click Place Search and enter Kemeten. (newsletter continues as no. 87B) THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS - No. 87B DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY (issued biweekly by Gerald Berghold) September 15, 2000 This third section of the 3 section newsletter contains: - Availability of Free PAF Software - Misinterpreted Village Name - Northampton, PA Celebrates 25 Year Partnership With Stegersbach - URL and Member Changes (11 New Members) PAF (PERSONAL ANCESTRAL FILE) SOFTWARE AVAILABLE FREE AT LDS (from Bob Unger) ED. Note: I've been using one or more versions of the LDS PAF Genealogical Software for years. As far as I'm concerned, they wrote the book! There is none better and their instruction book is superb. If you want a great genealogical data base, this is it. Many conventions used by genealogists had their birth with PAF. If you are not using this software, you are missing a good bet. It is GEDCOM receptive and there is no need to reenter your data. I also use other software for some reports and update them from PAF which is my definitive family genealogy file. Do yourself a favor and look into this software. My favorite is version 2.31, although I also use the Windows version. Bob writes: I just found the info detailed below - thought it worth while to pass on to all BB members. **** Personal Ancestral File (PAF) 4.0: While working the PAF directory I thought I'd check the BB WEB links to see if there were any recent updates. To my surprise they now offer PAF 4.0, downloadable free, including multi language versions. I next did a search of the BB newsletters and could not find any mention of PAF 4.0. (Previouis versions have been mentioned.) Simply go to http://www.lds.org. Click on family history, then click on software downloads, select your options, and follow their directions New version of PAF, versions 4.04, is now available free via the Internet: The following information was obtained from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints WEB site @ <www.lds.org>, then click on family history, click on "Whats new", and then click on "Personal Ancestral File 4.0". Personal Ancestral File 4.0 (PAF 4.0) is a new Windows(r)-based version of one of the most widely-used genealogical management programs for home computers. The popular new software program can be downloaded free of charge via the Internet at www.familysearch.org. Personal Ancestral File 4.0 does not provide genealogical data. Instead, its program helps users organize their family history records. The new features include multimedia capabilities and enhancements to the more popular features of version 3.0. Minimum System Requirements: Windows 95, 98, or NT IBM compatible 486/66 processor (Pentium(r) recommended) 16-32 MB memory 20MB hard disk space 256-color display adapter supporting 640x480 screen resolution (but optimized for 800x600) Internet access (if downloading from Internet) Personal Ancestral File 4.0 will also be available on CD-ROM for a nominal price in early 2000. Users will be able to purchase it from the Church's distribution centers worldwide. Copies of PAF 4.0, and its two hundred plus page users guide are free via the Internet: <www.lds.org>, then click on family history, click on "Software downloads", and then click on 36100999 Personal Ancestral File(r) 4.0.4 - Multi Language (5.75 MB) and then click on 36100998 Personal Ancestral File(r) 4.0 User's Guide (English) (1.10 MB). For our friends and relatives in Austria, they can obtain their German version of the users guide by selecting 77062995 Personal Ancestral File 4.0 Bedienungsanleitung (Deutsch) (1.36 MB). It is important to note that item 36100999 Personal Ancestral File(r) 4.0.4 - Multi Language (5.75 MB) is multi language, including German. MISSINTERPRETED VILLAGE NAME (from Christy Bates et al) ED. Note: We pore over those LDS church records and sometimes see things that appear to be something else. This is often the case with village names. It is one of the reasons why I suggest you should make lists of the German-Hungarian-Croatian names of villages close to your family villages of origin. Member Christy Bates thinks she is being directed to a new village and asks us for some help. Turns out not to be a village name at all. I write to Christy: You thought Eszterhazyani was a village name and I asked how it was used. In a message dated 8/26/00, a correspondent had written: << It is a baptism record from "Austria-Burgenland-Mannersdorf an der Rabnitz"(Kereszteltek, Hazasultak, Halottak 1827-1895) #0700822 microfilm from LDS. This was under the column of "Nomen et Cognomen Parentum, corurique Conditio et Religio." and the year is 1852. Joannes Freigruber famulus pastor arendatories Eszterhazyani et Theresia Knezits (or Knesits). I understand that his occupation was shepherd. I had hoped that Eszterhazyani is where Joannes was born not worked. This is the only Freigruber record I have found in this reel. If it is not where he worked, what do you suggest I do next? This seems to be a dead-end. I can try other towns close by as Freigruber is very uncommon name. Christy Bates >> I write: I believe this means Freigruber was a sheperd for Esterhazy holdings. Are you sure the village of residence of the parents doesn't show elsewhere on the document? It may well be Mannersdorf-sometimes only a ditto mark is used taken you to a previous entry. It's interesting that the current phone listing for Mannersdorf shows 3 Freiberger families and one Kneschitz family. Are you reading the entry spelling of the names properly? I would certainly look further in Mannersdorf records for marriage and/or deaths. I'm copying Fritz Konigshofer. He may be able to add more. Albert Schuch writes: I think that "famulus pastor arendatoris Eszterhazyani" translates to "assistant sheperd of the Eszterhazy (estate) leaseholder". Usually an "arendator" is a person who rents some kind of business, in this case a whole estate. In 1852 the Esterhazys were literally bankrupt and had to rent out many of their estates. Fritz Konigshofer writes: Christy, Gerry sent me a copy of your e-mail below. I don't have a good Latin dictionary here at my home, therefore cannot confirm the meaning of arendator. However, famulus usually means an assistant or apprentice, while pastor refers to a keeper (usually of herds). I also agree with Gerry that the reference to Eszterhäzy means that your ancestors worked on an estate owned by the princely Eszterhäzy family in Mannersdorf. Some time ago, I was in touch with Burgenland Bunch member Mary Light (whom I am copying on this e-mail). Her ancestors were Freigrubers coming from Punitz near Güssing (parish St. Nikolaus). From the records of St. Nikolaus, it appeared that two young family members had moved to Punitz and married there, namely a Johann and a Peter Freigruber. From the marriage records, Johann was born about 1849 in Grosspetersdorf, while Peter was born around 1851 in Unterloisdorf (Alsó Läszló) or Kethelytäboripuszta, both locations in the neighborhood of Mannersdorf and served by the Mannersdorf parish. From the way the place name looks to me, Kethelytäboripuszta could well have been a "mäjor" (meaning: large farm owned by the overlord) of the Eszterhäzy family. Please contact Mary Light and see what she meanwhile has found out. From the Punitz data, we had been surmising that the Freigruber family may have come to the Mannersdorf area into the employ of the Eszterhäzys around year 1850, and could have resided in Grosspetersdorf before. If so, this place was most likely the Grosspetersdorf in today's Burgenland, southeast and quite a bit away from Mannersdorf. Since I do not recall which Hungarian name I read in the St. Nikolaus records (Nagy Szent Mihäly or Német Szent Mihäly, both translating into the same Grosspetersdorf), there is a tiny other possibility, namely, that the Freigrubers came from a Német Szent Mihäly in the Banat region of old Hungary (now Romania). The much more likely source, though, is the Grosspetersdorf in Burgenland. According to Gerry, there are still Freigrubers in Mannersdorf today. Perhaps not all Freigrubers of the 1850 family had moved to Punitz. Therefore, you should extend your search to the Mannersdorf records of the late 1800s and early 1900s (civil records) to find death entries which would likely contain birth places of members and close relatives of your line. This is another way to chase the origin of a family if this origin was somewhere else. NORTHAMPTON, PA, CELEBRATES 25 YEAR PARTNERSHIP WITH STEGERSBACH (from Phyllis Sauerzopf) I don't know if you saw this in the Morning Call. Complete article (copyright) is available at: http://www.mcall.com/cgi-bin/slwebsto.cgi?DBLIST=mc00&DOCNUM=26899 (Extracts follow) This article is (c) The Morning Call Newspaper Company Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 Page: B03 Edition: FIFTH; Section: LOCAL/REGION NORTHAMPTON, STEGERSBACH MARK 25 YEARS OF SISTERHOOD MONUMENT REDEDICATION, MUSIC HIGHLIGHT BOROUGH'S CELEBRATION OF ITS PARTNERSHIP WITH AUSTRIAN CITY. by JEFF MEYER, The Morning Call The Austrian flag that hung next to the Stars and Stripes at a Northampton park Saturday symbolized a bond between sisters. The borough celebrated the 25th anniversary of its sister-city partnership with Stegersbach, Austria, at an afternoon ceremony at Municipal Park... The black granite monument was dedicated in 1990 by former Mayor Paul Kutzler. It is in a small alcove of the park along Laubach Avenue, surrounded by flowers and benches... Stegersbach, a town of 2,500 people in the state of Burgenland, is celebrating the anniversary with music, speeches and a Mass recognizing the people of Northampton this week, according to Reenock...(see last BB newsletter) Councilman Edward A. Pany, a retired history teacher, reflected on the history of immigration from central Europe to Northampton County. He spoke about the "massive influx" of immigrants from Austria to Northampton, Coplay and Nazareth before and after World War I. Many of the Austrian immigrants worked at cement, cigar and silk factories... Former Northampton Mayor Anthony Pany met Stegersbach Mayor Alexander Pratl in Northampton 27 years ago. The two agreed that their cities should become "sisters" in 1975... (end of extract) BURGENLAND BUNCH INTERNET LINKS - ADDITIONS, REVISIONS 9/15/00 (from Internet/URL Editor Anna Tanczos Kresh) AUSTRIAN, AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN INTERNET LINKS SOURCE OF BURGENLAND FLAGS (Fahnen) o Erste Oesterreichische Fahnenfabrik http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/1_oesterr_fahnenfabrik/ - (web site of firm suggested by Charles Wardell) o Fahnen-Gärtner http://www.gastrotrends.at/fahnen/index.htm - (web site of firm suggested by Gerhard Lang) o Ridia http://www.ridia.at (Gerhard Lang) o VIENNESE CYBER CAFES http://www.bignet.at - Internet, Fax, CD, and scanning services; also some Internet services available at the Vienna Airport and discount booksellers "Libro" (Eurocenter and Steffl department stores, Amadeus bookshops) - see BB newsletter 85 for details (from Inge Schuch) GENEALOGY SOFTWARE LINKS o WinFamily http://www.winfamily.com/ - genealogy software available in 16 languages http://winfamily.com/language.html (Alan Varga) NOTE: Following is an email from BB member Alan Varga regarding WinFamily: << I was looking through the links you sent me in my new member welcome note, and saw several links for software. I recognized a couple of the titles, but noticed that the one I use was not included. WinFamily 6.0 is written by a Danish fellow named Jan Mortensen. The program is available in several languages, including English, Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, and German among others. I have been using it since version 4.0 and find the interface easy to use, yet for my purposes it is full-featured. Perhaps other BB members might have some interest in this program. If so, here is the link to their homepage, if you would like to include it in your links list: http://www.jamodat.dk [Note: URL is now http:www.winfamily.com] Regards, Alan Varga, Bloomingdale, IL >> Thanks, Alan. I contacted WinFamily and Mr. Henning Mandrup advised me that the software is currently available in 16 languages (see languages URL above). WinFamily has resellers in Norway, Denmark (and Germany), Sweden, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Australia, France, Canada. Software support is available in the languages of the reseller countries. HUNGARIAN INTERNET LINKS o Hungarotips http://www.hungarotips.com - Hungarian genealogy; 1800 county maps (click on Genealogy, Help, Reference) with placenames in Hungarian and German, Latin, or Slovak; online Hung. lessons; low-cost Hungarian language lessons by email (Maureen Tighe-Brown) MAP SITES ON THE INTERNET o Maps of Hungary prior to 1920 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~go2will/orosz/mapsofh.htm - nice maps starting from 350 AD; not much detail o AUSTRIAN MAPS ON CD http://www.bev.gv.at - good Eastern Austria/Burgenland maps; see BB Newsletter 86A for details (Fritz Königshofer) URL CHANGES (revised links/descriptions) o Lehner, Andreas http://members.xoom.com/lehner/default.html - Markt Allhau, Austria; take a virtual walk through the center of Oberwart (address change) o Rogers, Theron http://www.theronrogers.com - Gainesville, GA.; MUHR from Heilingenkreuz; GRAF from Eltendorf (address change) o 3000 Year Perpetual Calendar http://members.home.net/sedford/cal/main.html - International and British versions; with 1582/1752 revisions for accuracy, links to calendar history, etc. (new address) o Steamship Historical Society of America http://www.sshsa.net/ - Langsdale Library, Univ. of Baltimore; over 200,000 ship photos; brochures, plans, ship books, ship lookups; you may arrange a personal visit to examine files (new address) o Bankerlsitzer http://members.aon.at/bankerlsitzer - Rudersdorf village newspaper; alternate site <go.to/bankerlsitzer> (new address) o Diözese Eisenstadt http://www.kath-kirche-eisenstadt.at/ - Roman Catholic Diocese of Eisenstadt; news section; no reference to archives (new address) o Bogardi's Hungarian Genealogy Links http://www.bogardi.com/gen/index.shtml - Janos Bogardi's links to Hungarian history, maps, dictionaries, emigration, translation services, sample letters, and more; for list of villages by county (megye) based on Hungarian national census of 1880; see 1882 Gazetteer of Hungary http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g104.shtml; see also house lists http://members.1012surfnet.at/gerger/Map/HouseLists.htm (added link to house lists) o Burgenland Croatians http://www.HrvatskiCentar.at - history, timeline, map showing Croatian settlements in Burgenland by dialect, links, and more; English version now online http://www.hrvatskicentar.at/hp/englesko/default.htm (added English link) o Vorfahren von Konrad Unger http://welcome.to/k.unger - Genealogical site from Konrad Unger, a teacher who lives in Wallern, Northern Burgenland; good site for Wallern; mirror site http://members.xoom.com/kunger (main site problems, URLs reversed) URLS DROPPED - LINKS BROKEN/CHANGED - INFORM URL EDITOR IF YOU KNOW ALTERNATE URL o Kubiatowicz, Dave and Rose <www.iol31.com/kubi/rosebloom/> - St. Paul, MN (link broken) o Das Lebendige Südburgenland http://members.aon.at/newspage/Südbgld.html - pictures, short histories of a few southern Burgenland villages (Jennersdorf, Poppendorf, etc.) (link broken) o Landesschulrat http://www.bnet.co.at/brg_ei1/lsr_bgld.htm - Landesschulrat für das Burgenland, Eisenstadt, Austria (link broken) o Rohrbach bei Mattersburg http://www.rohrbach-bm.at/index.html - history and pictures; see also the Croatian Rohrbach article and map at Orbuh - das kroatische Rohrbachhttp://www.rohrbach-bm.at/Historie/gesch_n8.html (link broken) o Croatian Villages http://www.nn.hr/Glasilo/97/0209a.htm - List of Croatian villages by county (link broken) MEMBER CHANGES NEW L. Cole; Nazareth, PA. CSENSITS,(?); TANISER, (DANISER?),(?). Settled in Northampton then Coplay, PA. Joe Domitrowich; Cupertino, CA. DOMITROVITS, BRUNNER, STEINER, ASTL, et al. Deutsch Ehrensdorf, Strem, Steinfurt, Henndorf, Rax am Bergen. Immigrants to Allentown, PA Bob Gollinger; Prescott,Ontario, Canada. GOLLINGER, (GÖLLINGER) TRINKL. Königsdorf, Königsdorf am Berg. Frank Gollinger, emigrated from Konigsdorf in 1926 and after a stay in Western Canada, settled in Kitchener, Ontario. Lorette and John Gludovatz; Oliver, BC, Canada. GLUDOVATZ, PRIOR. Klingenbach (Hungarian Kelenpatak), District of Eisenstadt. Place settled: Oliver, BC, Canada. Gus Gyaki, Manchester, MO. GYAKI (GYAKY), KELEMEN, PALANK; Oberwart, Unterwart, Pinkafeld. Settled in St. Louis, MO Dianne Hedervare; Cottage Grove, MN. STETTNER, POTZMAN(N), Bocksdorf. Settled in North Dakota. Franz Lehner, St.Andrä, Burgenland, Austria. LEHNER, KERLINGER, HORVATH. Herkunft (origin of) name Kerlinger. Lynn McNamara; Lansing, SCHUCH, (maternal grandfather), FASEL (maternal grandmother), other names: WAGNER & OSWALD. Neuberg & Rohrbach (an der Teich). Maternal grandparents settled in Chicago, IL, early 1900's. Gernot Pfingstl, Dietersdorf, Styria (on the border to Burgenland, next to Rudersdorf/Dobersdorf, close to Fürstenfeld/Therme Loipersdorf); PFINGSTL, Hohenbrugg an der Raab; SÜSZ, SCHWEINZER, Dietersdorf; looking for relatives in the US. Edward Pottmeyer, Hollidaysburg, PA. John PANNER, Gussing, Kukmirn (RC) to McKees Rocks, PA. Theresa Ann NIKISCHER, Ronok, Alsoronok, Unterradling to Mc Kees Rocks , PA. Michael NIKISCHER, Ronok, to McKees Rocks, then Crownpoint, Indiana. George SULZER Ronok, Eltendorf (Lutheran). Elsie Wendlandt; Prescott, AZ. TASCHEK, HOLLENDONNER, PISSLER, STAMPF. Rechnitz, Markt Neuhodis. Settled Chicago, IL; Darlington, WI. CHANGE Marlene Tschida Bryan - changed email address Norman Gludovatz, Vancouver, Canada - changed email address Barb Guttmann; Chicago, IL -- GUTTMANN, WACHHOLDER, VACHHALTER, MUHR, POMPER, SCHLOGEL from Burg and JALITS, JALICS, HORVATH from Kleinzicken. Settled in Chicago. Fritz Königshofer; Bethesda, MD (hometown Graz, Austria); searching names KOLLER, TIVALD (DIWALD, TIBOLD), CZENCZ (CZENTZ, ZENZ), KLEIN, BEIERNSTEINER, POSCH, mostly in Rechnitz (Rohoncz); FÜRSATZ (FÜRSATZ, FÜRSZACZ), BERGER, STEINER, SCHREINER, WITMON (WITTMANN), in Rohrbach (Nadasd), Marz (Marcz), Loipersbach (Lepesfalva), Pilgersdorf (Pörgöleny, Pörgöleny); SZÁK, RATHNER (RATTNER) in Pinkafeld (Pinkafö)... but where did they originate?; BÉRY (BÉRI) in Zala and Somogy megye, SZABADOS in Vas megye. William Krause - changed email address John W. Maschler Sr. - changed email address Bob Unger - changed email address El Cajon, CA; UNGER, BAUER, KOGELMANN, BÖSENHOFER, HITZEL, KRACHER, MIRTH, Rudersdorf, Eltendorf; UNGER, ZOTTER, Güssing. Unger ancestors came to McKees Rock, PA in 1891. Jean Birmingham - changed email address D. Stockl On the Member List, I'd like to put researching PEISCHL and CZVITKOVITS in Stegersbach, and PELZMANN and SCHABHÜTTL in Bocksdorf. Bob Zecker - changed email address END OF NEWSLETTER BURGENLAND BUNCH STAFF Coordinator & Editor Newsletter (Gerald J. 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