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THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS - No. 350
January 31, 2024, © 2024 by The Burgenland Bunch
All rights reserved. Permission to copy excerpts granted if credit is provided.
Editor: Thomas Steichen (email:
tj.steichen@comcast.net)
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Our 28th year! The BB was founded in 1997 by Gerald Berghold (1930-2008).
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Current Status Of The BB:
* Members: 3217 * Surname Entries: 9349 * Query Entries: 5967 * Staff Members: 14
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This newsletter concerns:
1) THE PRESIDENT'S CORNER
2) HOW TO ACCESS BEV MAPS (by Patrick Kovacs)
3) GENEALOGICAL VERSUS GENETIC FAMILY TREES
4) HISTORICAL BB NEWSLETTER ARTICLES:
- BITS AND PIECES FROM TEN YEARS AGO
5) ETHNIC EVENTS
6) BURGENLAND EMIGRANT OBITUARIES (courtesy of Bob Strauch)
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1) THE PRESIDENT'S CORNER (by Tom Steichen)
This
month's random bits and pieces (Article 1) are somewhat fewer in number, mostly
because I included two stand-alone articles in this newsletter. Our bits begin with a small task for you: look
at the linked file to see if your email address bounced when we sent you the newsletter notification via our new
bulk mailer. Our second bit talks again about Burgenland Record Transcriptions and note that I am
marking "pending" in our Records section any transcription efforts I become aware of. Read the bit to see
why I want to do this. The third bit reports the availability of a new transcribed record set, courtesy of
Edward Schraith and myself (but mostly Edward!). These are Jennersdorf Catholic parish
birth records for 1828-1895. The fourth bit acknowledges this newsletter as our 350th edition.
As I note in the bit, I'm not sure I understand why these kind of milestones attract our attention—but they
do, and I expend way too many words on this minor topic! We end with a bit about paying for access to
matriken.at, a task that is way too difficult in this supposedly connected world!
Our regular tidbits include the monthly BB Facebook report, book sales and a
Cartoon of the Month.
The first of the stand-alone articles comes from Patrick Kovacs and talks about How to Access
BEV Maps. BEV is the German acronym for the Austrian government office that does surveys and
creates maps. The particular map set Patrick talks about are from the late 1930s and show all the land owners.
The second stand-alone article (by me) concerns Genealogical Versus Genetic Family Trees and is
based on a Q&A in Family Tree Magazine concerning genetic matches among close relatives. I present an
edited but slightly-supplemented version of what they presented.
The remaining articles are our standard sections: A Historical BB Newsletter article (sort
of), Ethnic Events and Emigrant Obituaries.
Email Address
Bounces For Our Newsletter Notification: As of the past month, we switched to using sender.net as
our bulk email mailer. One feature it has is that it provides a list of bounced emails, that is, emails we
sent but did not get to the intended recipients and, in most cases, why the email bounced. In total,
216 messages bounced, with most of them (140) because the destination email server considered the message to be
spam. Another 53 bounced because the destination account was disabled and 4 because the destination
mailbox was full (over quota). An additional 19 messages bounced but no explanation was provided
as to why.
You are able to do something about those bounces only when the account was disabled
(you should provide us with a functional account) or where the mailbox was over quota (you should
delete messages, especially those in any junk, trash, or deleted items folders). You might
also look at accounts where no explanation was given. Perhaps it is disabled or over quota. As a
reminder, deleting emails in most email programs does not permanently delete the email, rather they
move them to a special folder (like deleted items or trash). You must empty these folders to
permanently delete their contents. Until then, their contents count against the space quota your mail system
provides to you.
The biggest group, spam, is something we at the BB must address (if we can). We can do this by
getting functional DNS (Domain Name System) records in place, specifically the SPF (Sender Policy Framework) and
DKIM (DomainKeys Identified Mail) records.
These records identify which mail servers (such as sender.net) are permitted to send email on behalf of the
BB. Adding an SPF record can help detect and prevent spammers from sending email messages with forged From
addresses and the DKIM helps verify email addresses, fights spam and protects against spoofing and identity theft.
Working with our ISP (Internet Service Provider), I have added both such records, and the SPF record appears to be
working, but the DKIM is not. I will reach out again to our ISP to get this fixed (but, having been sick for a
few weeks, I put this off and need to rebuild motivation before I attempt this again!). I assume many of the
spam bounces are because of this defective DKIM. However, some receiving email systems are lazy and just look at
how many messages from a specific server are coming in. If too many arrive in a short time frame, they tag the
mail server as a spammer, even when it is not, and there is not much we can do about this. This is one of
the problems with using a bulk mail sender.
From the notices for the previous newsletter, I have gathered all bounced email addresses into an Excel file and
placed them in columns by the type of bounce. I'll ask that you look at this file to see if your address is
present. Each column is a type of bounce and the entries in the columns are the part of a target email
address before the @ symbol (sorted alphabetically) for those bounced messages. I didn't want to include all parts
of the email address, but I think this part is sufficient for you to recognize your address, if it is there. Here
is the file: Bounces.xlsx. If you see your address therein, please fix the problem
(if it is something you can fix).
Burgenland Record Transcriptions: I want to point out a couple of transcription projects that are
currently underway and that should soon appear on the BB website in our Records section.
BB
member Edward Schraith has provided a complete transcription of the Jennersdorf (Gyanafalva)
Catholic parish birth and marriage records for 1828-1885, as well as some selected pages in the 1886-1895 era. The
Jennersdorf parish was also the official recorder for Grieselstein (Kristyan), Ober-Henndorf
(Felsö Ercsenye) and Rax-Bergen (Felsö Raks). At the time of this
writing, these records were being converted to the BB online format and the remaining pages in the 1886-1895 era
were being transcribed (by me).
The birth records now available online in BB Records and the marriages will follow once I complete the
transcription of records that Edward had not done and I convert all of the transcribed records to our online
format.
Also, BB member Rebecca Chamberlain is actively transcribing early records for the Apetlon ([Moson-]
Bánfalva) Catholic parish. Those records will be added to the BB website when the project is completed. The
current effort includes births in 1771-1802 and marriages in 1746-1826.
What was interesting about Edward's Jennersdorf project is that he apparently started in in 2002... at
least, there is a note in his Excel file saying that he copied the microfilm in January of that year. Also,
in his note to me when he sent his file, he said (in part):
"I have been working on transcribing the Gyanafalva, Hungary films 0700669 and 0700670 for many years...
So far, I have only completed transcribing Births and Marriages from 1828 to 1886. As I am now 91 years
old, I may never complete my goal of finishing these films through 1895. Therefore I am attaching my Excel
spreadsheet, as is, for your use in the Burgenland Bunch."
Thus it appears that this has been an effort of 20+ years.
Now wouldn't it be terrible if someone else had decided to transcribe these records and made irrelevant all of
Edward's hard work by publishing first? I think so. Thus, I've decided to start adding "pending" notes in
our BB Records section for every transcription project that I become aware of. This will not speed the
publication of such data but should alert others that a project is already underway for a particular record
collection. If you have an interest in transcribing the same collection, you could then contact (through
me) the individual already working on it and perhaps collaborate.
You may recall that last month I wrote about Rebecca Chamberlain's Apetlon project, and that she is looking
for collaborators. However, if you did not read that, now there will also be a pending note about it
in our Records section. Perhaps that will help avoid duplicative and thus wasteful transcription work!
Given I've decided to do this, I'll ask that you notify me about any Burgenland transcription project
you have underway or are aware of... or any project you or someone else has completed but have not yet contributed
to the BB. In addition, tell our BB Facebook page about the project. I'll become aware of it and add a
pending status.
For example, I am aware that Bernhard Antal has shared on our affiliated Facebook page a
transcription (index) of deaths in 1794-1827 for the Sankt Michael parish. Bernhard has shared his
previous transcriptions with us but hasn't yet offered this one to the BB. I've marked it as pending in our
Records section and will be contacting Bernhard about contributing it.
Jennersdorf Vital Records: As noted above, BB member Edward Schraith has
provided a complete transcription of the Jennersdorf (Gyanafalva) Catholic parish birth records for
1828-1885, as well as some selected pages in the 1886-1895 era. I have transcribed the missing pages in the
1886-1895 era, so we now have the complete record set. This was FamilySearch microfilm 700669 and the
images can be found here:
Jennersdorf (Gyanafalva) RC Births, 1828-1895 (should you wish to check our work).
The Jennersdorf parish was also the official recorder for Grieselstein (Kristyan), Ober-Henndorf
(Felsö Ercsenye) and Rax-Bergen (Felsö Raks). In total there are 8,850
birth records in the collection, with Edward being responsible for all but maybe a thousand of them. Copyright for
the transcription remains with Edward and myself. You can find our transcription here:
Jennersdorf Catholic Births.
350th Newsletter: Well, here it is: BB Newsletter # 350 ...another "round-number" (sort-of)
milestone! I'm not sure I understand why these kind of milestones attract our attention—but they do—so I'll give
in and talk about this one.
Our first edition, edited (and distributed via email) by BB founder Gerry Berghold,
came out in January 1997... with just 13 readers!
It took only to October 2001 to reach the 100th edition, now with 750 readers. That
short elapsed time (4 years, 10 months) was because the first 87 editions were published bi-weekly.
However, in September 2000, Gerry switched to the monthly format that we have sustained since.
Our 200th edition was published in June 2010, with 1,852 BB members receiving
the newsletter (we stopped counting readers somewhere along the way). Gerry was editor of 176
of those editions, but his failing health forced him to give up his editorship after the July 2008 edition. I
stepped in as interim editor of newsletter 177 and then Hannes Graf became our new continuing
editor with number 178 and would publish 24 newsletters.
This was also the period we changed the format and distribution of the newsletter. Editions 1-147
were strictly via email. From February 2006 through December 2009, newsletters were simultaneously
formatted and distributed as an email and an online document (#s 148-194, 47 editions). Being online meant
we could add images to that version of the newsletter, which we started doing with edition 183.
Since January 2010, newsletters are formatted and distributed solely as online documents (#s 195-350, 156
editions). This was done both because of the added flexibility of images in articles and the nicer formatting, as
well as to cope with the increasing problems of trying to distribute large documents to many people via email...
overly-sensitive spam checkers and ISP blockers were monthly problems that plagued the distribution process (and
drove Gerry crazy!). So our only email distribution was (and still is) a short, bland note saying the monthly
newsletter is available online... and we still have blocking problems (but fewer)!
We had our 300th edition in August 2019, going to some 2,885 members. Coincidentally,
this was also my 100th edition as editor (another round number). Hannes would publish edition 201
but I became editor in August 2010, and would publish a further 99 editions along with my earlier interim edition
to push my editorial count to 100 newsletters at that time.
Now, with edition 350, January 2024, going to over 3,200 members, I'm up to 150
newsletters edited... and still trail Gerry's 176!
Making Matriken.at Payments: I received an email in early January from Richard Potetz
concerning making payment to matriken.at to enable access to the record images held there. If you go
on the matriken site, you will see that the only acceptable current payment method is a bank
transfer (payment via PayPal has been discontinued) and that the payment is made to the Győri
Egyházmegyei Gyűjteményi Központ (Győr Diocese Collection Center), which is in Hungary.
Well, if you live in the US and have ever attempted a bank transfer, you know it is both difficult and expensive
to accomplish. You must do it in person at your bank and, if your local branch is typical, they will not
know how to do it. Once they waste a bunch of your time finding someone in their system who can lead them through
the process, it will culminate in a significant fee (especially so given the small size of the payment you are
actually trying to make). This is why most people use various online payment systems (like PayPal) to
transfer money internationally.
Anyway, Richard tells me he created a Western Union account to make the payment. He reports that the
Western Union online system makes payments to Hungary in US dollars ($) or Hungarian forints (HUF)...
but not euros (EUR). This is significant because the matriken site states: We ask you to transfer
the exact amount and only in EUR, otherwise the user account cannot be activated.
This led Richard to ask me: "Have you ever used matriken.at? If so how did you get the exact amount
in euros to them?"
My answer was that "I have never activated a paid account at matriken.at (because my two ancestral
villages are not there yet!). I would suggest you pose your question on the BB Facebook page. I know that
many members there are active on matriken. They should have an answer for you."
Richard reports that his BB Facebook inquiry led to advice to pay for matriken access though the
Wise payment site, and he tried to send exactly 50 euros to the Győr bank account. However, his actual
payment turned out to be 50.46 euros, despite Wise saying it was making exactly a 50 euro
payment. I suspect this was because exchange rates vary constantly and Richard's dollars bought more
euros even a few seconds later... and that might be a problem if the rates change in the opposite direction
...and even a positive movement might be a problem given matriken's statement that you should "...transfer
the exact amount ...otherwise the user account cannot be activated."
The one last bit I'll report concerns the cost of this. Richard shared an image of the Wise payment
calculation page and it showed the costs involved. First, Richard had options on how to send money to Wise,
and these are the costs:
Credit card: $3.71 (and your bank may charge a cash-advance fee)
Debit card: $1.83
ACH transfer: $1.01 (direct connect your bank account with Wise)
Wire transfer: $4.44
Second, there was the cost of buying 50 euros: $54.86. Wise reported the then-current conversion
rate was 0.911500 euros/dollar and that the rate was good for 7 hours. That calculates to a euro
yield of 50.00489 for $54.86 (had they converted just $54.85 at that rate, it would have yielded slightly less
than 50 euros). Richard chose to use his credit card, so his total cost was $58.57.
I also asked Richard to tell us if his overpayment caused problems and he says the extra 0.46 euros caused
no problem at all. He did have to pay a $10 cash advance fee to his credit card company, increasing his
total cost to $68.57, but he notes he could have avoided that by using a debit card. He also told me that his
local bank would have charged $40 for an international wire transfer (a total cost of ~$94.86), and he would have
had to sign a release allowing international wire transfer payments from his account (something he did not wish to
do).
So, it appears using a debit card and Wise is the best way to go ($56.59 total cost).
The
Facebook Bunch (from Vanessa Sandhu):
Greetings, Burgenland Bunch!
And happy New Year! I wish you all a healthy, happy year full of lots of blessings and Burgenland-related
genealogical discoveries! If you need help, please join our Facebook group. There are lots of great people who can
help you very quickly. We gained lots of new members this month and are excited to have them in our community of
now 2,148 members!
facebook.com/groups/TheBurgenlandBunchOFFICIAL/.
Member Franz Stangl shared many great photos and videos of the Sternsingers in Güssing, as
well as ice skating fun on the Güssinger fish pond.
Member
Daniel Weber shared a great interview of this wonderful Burgenländerin, who is 99 years
young. She talks about her two aunts and an uncle who emigrated from Burgenland to Chicago about 100 years ago.
Here she talks about her childhood on the country farm in Burgenland:
youtube.com/watch?v=N_-2a0JNFcs
Member Steve Huber shared some great photos and memories from his days touring with his band,
Steve Huber’s Happy Austrians.
Member Steve Schmidt posed a great question about where to find a link listing WW-II Burgenland
fatalities that appeared in a Burgenland Bunch newsletter in the past. He got lots of great answers:
Member Tim Stein suggested a military grave-search website:
http://www.volksbund.de/en/graebersuche.html
He also suggested looking at the denkmal (monument) project:
http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/en_search.htm
These may be of assistance to other members who are looking for this information!
Member Richard Potetz observed that to access the matriken.at site records, you are required
to make a payment in exact-amount Euros only. PayPal is no longer accepted, so he reached out to the
group to see how other members were accessing the site. The consensus is that Wise is inexpensive and
quick, as it was recommended by many of our members.
Member Andrea Aminger shared many gorgeous photos of the ice formations she saw in Mörbisch,
Podersdorf and Illmitz at Neusiedler See.
Member Fred Knarr shared some great photos and interesting information about the middle point
stone of Burgenland. It is located to the east of Unterpullendorf.
Fred also shared information for travel to Austria in 2025 and beyond: “If you plan on traveling to
Europe in 2025 or later, get ready for ETIAS. Here is a link to the current website with lots of details that
might likely change over time. (Note that if you also hold a valid EU passport you won’t need to do this; nor will
your close relative traveling companions.) Stay tuned!
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en"
Member Rebecca Chamberlain finished transcribing the marriages from Matriken records for
Apetlon for the years 1746-1826 and shared it with the group! Thank you for all of your hard work,
Rebecca!
That’s all for now! Have a great month and stay safe and healthy!
Vanessa
Update
for book "The Burgenländer Emigration to America": Here is this month's update on purchases of the English
issue of the 3rd edition of Dr. Walter Dujmovits' book "Die Amerika-Wanderung Der Burgenländer."
Current total sales are 1763 copies, as interested people purchased 6 books during this past month.
As always, the book is available for online purchase at a list price of $8.89
(which is the current production charge for the book, as we purposely choose not to make any profit so
you can obtain the book at as low a cost as possible!), plus tax & shipping. See the BB
homepage for a link to the information / ordering page and for information about
current discounts (there is at least one discount on price or shipping available most of the time... if not, wait
a few days and there will be one!).
The book is an excellent read for the Burgenländers in your family... and an excellent belated Christmas
gift... get theirs now!
Burgenland Recipes: (none this month... do you have one to share?)
Note:
Our recipes sortable list has links directly to the recipes or food-related articles
published in our past newsletters. You can access the list by clicking our recipe box (to the right). Thanks to
the contributions of our members over the years, we have quite a collection of Burgenland recipes, some with
several variations.
However, whenever we use up our unpublished recipes, this recipe section will become dormant. So, if you have a
favorite family recipe, please consider sharing it with us. We will be happy to publish it. Our older relatives,
sadly, aren't with us forever, so don't allow your favorite ethnic dish to be lost to future generations.
You can send your recipe to BB Recipes Editor,
Alan Varga.
Thanks!
Cartoon of the Month:
Editorial note: While the above cartoon may seem inconsistent with the purposes of the BB and its
newsletter, it was selected because it illustrates an interesting note I found attached to a birth in the
Jennersdorf records. It seems the child was born less than 6 months after the parents' marriage. The husband
refused to accept paternity, so the child was recorded as illegitimate... not a good start for the marriage!
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2) HOW TO ACCESS BEV MAPS (by Patrick Kovacs)
BEV, the Bundesamt für Eich- und Vermessungswesen (Austrian Federal Office of Metrology and
Surveying) is currently digitizing old maps (Feldskizzen) from all over Austria. The current project status
(in German) can be seen here:
bev.gv.at/.../Digitales_KatasterArchive-Verfuefbarkeit.pdf.
Most of the maps are from the late 1930s and show all the land owners. Each map bundle for a village (actually,
a Cadastral Municipality = KG, Katastralgemeinde) is available for download at a moderate cost of 0.80
€ (about $0.87) for each map section. Be warned that there almost certainly will be multiple map sections in the
bundle. These map sections are the parts of a rectangular grid that covers the complete Gemeinde and are
sized so they can be printed on normal paper and can be stored digitally in files of moderate size.
Unfortunately the ordering process is far from customer-friendly (it appears to have been built for internal
government use).
1. If you already have a BEV account, you login at
https://apps.bev.gv.at by filling in the Benutzername (username) and Kennwort (password) boxes
in the upper right of the page, then click Anmelden (login):
If you do not have an account, you must register an account with BEV by clicking
Registrieren (to register) on page https://apps.bev.gv.at (also in the
upper right of the page, see above).
That process is rather self-explanatory (if you read German) but I will make a few suggestions anyway. The first
page asks you what type of customer you are, and you likely want to select Privater Kunde (private
customer). You then click Weiter.. to continue to the next page. Other customer types are student (Student),
public organization (Öffentliche Organisation) and commercial customer (Gewerbliche Kunde).
When on the next page, there will be four sections to be filled in...
- Section 1 is for your username and password. Your Benutzername (username) must be a valid email
address, as it will send you a confirmation link at that address. The second box asks you to repeat
your username (and it must match the first box). The third and fourth boxes are for your password (Kennwort)
and a repeat of that password (must match).
- Section 2 is for the type of service package (Servicepaket) you want. I strongly suggest
you choose Cash. If you do, then credit card (Kreditkarte) will be the only option in the
next box and Benutzeranzahl (number of users) will be set to 1.
- Section 3 is your contact information, and only the starred * lines need to be filled in. You
should select Herr (Mr.) or Frau (Mrs.) as appropriate from the salutation (Anrede)
box. Your given- and sur-names go in the Vorname and Familienname boxes. Your
street address (house number & street name) goes in the Straße / Hausnummer box. PLZ is for your
postal zip code and MUST BE the full, nine-digit zip in nnnnn-nnnn format (if you do not know it,
you can get it here:
tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?byaddress). Ort is your town name. Staat is a
pull-down for country, and the United States is listed as USA. There is no box for a US state name (but it
will figure it out from the zip code). Telefon (telephone) is optional, but if you do not speak German, I
suggest you do not include it.
- Section 4 has a checkbox for invoice/receipts to be sent to your email address. I suggest
you click that box.
Once all four sections are filled in, click Weiter.. to continue to the proofing page. Any
errors due to invalid data will have a red comment. If there is no invalid data, you should review your data and
then MUST check the box on the bottom left to accept BEV's terms and conditions and other
legal notices. Now click Registrieren (to register) at the bottom of the page.
This will enter your registration data in the system and cause an email to be sent to you with an activation
page link (Aktivierungsseite). Once you receive the email, click this link to complete the registration
process.
2. Once you’re registered and logged-in, select Shop PLUS under Shops & Services (see first image
above).
There, select Veränderungshinweis and click the red go button to commit to
this selection.
3. Now comes the (previously) undocumented part, as you need to know:
a. the number of the Katastralgemeinde (cadastral municipality)
b. and the exact Jahr (year) of the survey.
We have provided this information (when known) here:
https://www.the-burgenland-bunch.org/Map/map_survey_years.htm
There is also a (large) box for identifying which Veränderungshinweis you want. You can leave this box
blank or can enter 400, which appears to be the default value for old maps.4. Finally for
Basisprodukt you need to select Auszüge Kataster und Verzeichnisse and Archivplan PDF, then
click the red go button to commit to these selections.
5. Now click on the Suchen/Preis ermitteln button to initiate the search for products of this type
and see the cost of each (see below).
Be aware that it may take some time to complete the search. When finished, a list of map sections will be
generated (10 entries at a time). The number found (Anzahl gefundene) of map sections will be stated
at the top of the list, and all sections will be pre-selected to be placed in the shopping cart (Warenkorb).
There appears to be no way to identify which map section covers which part of the Gemeinde so you'll need
to purchase all of them.
6. You can now put your map sections in the shopping cart by clicking button "nn selektierte Produkte in
den Warenkorb legen" (where nn is the number of map sections). There is a minimum purchase price of 5 Euros,
so if you’re interested in more than one village and your current order does not exceed this, you should order all
together.
7. The final step is to click "Kreditkarten-Daten eingeben und Bestellung absenden" to enter your credit
card data and submit your order.
Editorial note: I attempted this process for one of my ancestral villages.
However, when I submitted my order, my card was rejected and BEV passed along the note they received. It read:
"This card is unable to be used for this particular transaction, please contact Xxx Bank at 1-800-nnn-nnnn
for further assistance." I then tried my debit card and received a similar error message. This may be a
bank-specific limitation or a universal problem for US-based cards. If you attempt this, please let me know
whether your card worked or not. However, I suspect the problem is universal for US-based banks (see the bit in
Article 1 for making Matriken.at payments).
8. After payment you’ll receive a download link via e-mail a couple of hours later.
9. The maps will show you exactly who owned which house and plot in the survey year.
For example this is house #64 of my great grandparents Pumm Johann & Cäcilia in Kukmirn in 1936:
10. You can then use the plot number (in the above case it’s 214) to locate the plot on a current map by
going to
geodaten.bgld.gv.at/de/geodaten-suche/grundstuecke.html and entering the data (no login necessary):
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3) GENEALOGICAL VERSUS GENETIC FAMILY TREES
Family Tree Magazine recently published a short Q&A concerning genetic matches among close relatives. Here
is an edited version of what they presented:
Q: My parents are deceased, so I asked my uncle Jared to take an autosomal DNA test. I discovered that
he shares DNA with his third cousin Susan, but Susan isn’t on my match list. How is that possible, given that I
share all of uncle Jared’s ancestors?
A: It’s a common misconception that close relatives should share all genetic matches. Close relatives don’t
always share the same DNA, and thus won’t always share genetic matches. In order for you to share DNA with your
cousin Susan, two requirements must be met:
1. You and Susan both must have inherited one or more segments of DNA from the same ancestor.
The likelihood of inheriting a segment of DNA from an ancestor decreases with each generation separating the
test-taker and the ancestor. For example, a parent doesn’t pass down all his or her DNA to the next generation.
Instead, you inherit just 50 percent of your father’s DNA and 50 percent of your mother’s DNA. Said differently,
half of each parent’s DNA is not passed down to you. Therefore, you receive, on average, just 25 percent of
each grandparent’s DNA. With each generation, you inherit less DNA from an ancestor until at a certain
point—approximately five to seven generations—you receive DNA from only some of the ancestors in that
generation. The chart below shows approximately how much of your DNA comes from an ancestor of each generation.
Relationship |
Range in percent |
Range in centiMorgans |
Parent / child |
50% |
~3719 cM |
Grandparent |
17% - 34% |
1264 - 2529 cM |
Great-grandparent |
4% - 23% |
298 - 1710 cM |
2nd Great-grandparent |
2% - 6% |
149 cM - 446 cM |
3rd Great-grandparent |
0% - 2.2% |
0 - 164 cM |
4th Great-grandparent |
0% - 0.8% |
0 - 60 cM |
5th Great-grandparent |
0% - 0.4% |
0 - 20 cM |
As a result, everyone has two family trees: The first is your genealogical tree, which is every ancestor
in history that had a child who had a child who had a child who ultimately led to you. We are each the product of
every decision made by every person in our genealogical family tree.
The second is the genetic family tree, which is made up only of those ancestors who gave you DNA.
Because you inherited DNA from
only
some of your genealogical ancestors in about the fifth to seventh generation and beyond, only some
of your genealogical ancestors are in your genetic family tree. In the example genetic family tree shown to the
right, ancestors who contributed DNA are shaded. The ancestors in white, while still genealogical
ancestors, aren’t genetic ancestors. At each generation, the proportion of genetic ancestors to
genealogical ancestors decreases. Thus the likelihood of inheriting a segment of DNA from a particular
genealogical ancestor decreases with each generation.
Although siblings have the same genealogical tree, they’ll have different genetic trees (unless
they’re identical twins). Similarly, you have a different genetic tree from each parent, although your genetic
family tree is a subset of your parent’s genetic family tree.
In your case, it’s almost guaranteed that both you and Susan inherited DNA from your shared ancestors—fulfilling
our first requirement above—because those ancestors are too recent to begin “falling off” your genetic family
tree. The second requirement, however, still must be met for Susan to show up as your genetic match.
Likelihood of Sharing Detectable Common DNA |
Cousin Relationship |
23andMe |
FamilyTreeDNA |
AncestryDNA |
Second or closer |
> 99% |
> 99% |
100% |
Third |
~ 90% |
> 90% |
98% |
Fourth |
~ 45% |
> 50% |
71% |
Fifth |
~ 15% |
> 10% |
32% |
Sixth or further |
< 5% |
< 2% |
< 11% |
2. You and Susan must inherit at least one of the same segments of DNA from a shared ancestor to
be identified as genetic cousins in a DNA test. For example, you might’ve both inherited DNA from your
fourth-great-grandfather, but each of you received a different part of his DNA. As you can see in
the table above, which shows each testing company’s estimated likelihood of inheriting the same DNA, the
chances of sharing a detectable segment of DNA with a cousin drops drastically after the third cousin level. So
there’s a 90 to 98 percent chance your uncle Jared will share a DNA segment with his third cousin Susan, and a
smaller chance that you’ll share a DNA segment with Susan (your third cousin once-removed). Your chance of sharing
DNA with Susan is halfway between third cousins and fourth cousins (45 to 71 percent).
It appears that your uncle Jared and your cousin Susan inherited at least one of the same segments of DNA from the
same ancestor. In contrast, you and Susan didn’t inherit the same segment, even though you both likely inherited
DNA from your shared ancestors. As long as your results show that your uncle Jared is actually your uncle, the
fact that he shares DNA with his third cousin Susan, while you do not, isn’t surprising.
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4) HISTORICAL BB NEWSLETTER ARTICLES
Editor: This is part of our series designed to recycle interesting articles from the BB Newsletter of 10
years ago. However, given that the newsletter of 10 years ago was a year-end newsletter, it simply summarized BB
year 2013 and did not offer "new" content. So...
THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS No. 239
January 31, 2014
BITS AND PIECES FROM TEN YEARS AGO
Hard to believe it, but it was 10 years ago that the BB published the English edition of the 3rd edition of
Walter Dujmovits book, "Die Amerika-Wanderung Der Burgenländer" and announced it in the
newsletter. Bob Strauch did the translation, I did the formatting and editing and eventually became the publisher
(on the BB's behalf), and the BB staff reviewed our combined effort, adding to the quality of the book. In
cooperation with Walter, we titled the English edition as "The Burgenländer Emigration to America" and
first offered it for sale (at production cost) in January 2014. Then BB staff member, Ron Markland, offered to do
a book review for it, which we also published in the January 2014 newsletter. The book has remained for sale at
production cost, now $8.89, which is lower than the initial production cost of $10.45. Over these 10 years, more
than 1750 copies have sold... and it still keeps selling 4 or 5 copies a month. Not bad!
Also 10 years ago, Wilhelm Schmidt joined the BB staff as a contributing editor. Since then, he has
contributed a number of articles to the BB newsletter, has been active in transcribing old German
Kurrentschrift handwriting font letters and cards for members, and provides research knowledge about
Burgenland. Willi was born in Pernau/Pornóapáti, Hungary, but as a child was deported with his family after WW-II
because of his German heritage. His research interests involve his heritage, deportation, and his lost ancestral
village. We thank Willi for his 10 years of service.
The newsletter of 10 years ago also reported a few losses. Both Bob Unger (Western US Members /
Research) and Maureen Tighe-Brown (Judaic Burgenland) retired from the BB staff, each after
providing many years service to the BB and its members.
In addition, Frank Tantsits died. Frank was never a BB staff member but he was a
personal friend and a BB brother-in-arms. Frank, along with brother Ed, originated what is now the FamilySearch
pages on the BB website and was involved in the early days of the BH&R project, providing much information
about deceased Burgenländers in the Lehigh Valley.
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5) ETHNIC EVENTS
LEHIGH VALLEY, PA
Friday, February 2: Grundsaufeier at the Lancaster Liederkranz. Music by the
Grundsau-Kapelle. Info: www.lancasterliederkranz.com
Friday, February 2: Groundhog Day Celebration at Wehr's Dam in Orefield. Info:
www.groundhoglodge.org/schedule/groundhog-lodge-number-16/
Saturday, February 3: Fasching at the Lancaster Liederkranz. Music by The Continentals.
Info: www.lancasterliederkranz.com
Sunday, February 4: The Steelworkers at the Coplay Sängerbund. Info:
www.coplaysaengerbund.com
Friday, February 9: Fasching at the Reading Liederkranz: Info:
www.readingliederkranz.com
Saturday, February 10: Lumpenball at the Lancaster Liederkranz. Music by Maria & John.
Info: www.lancasterliederkranz.com
Saturday, February 17: Fasching at the Evergreen German Club in Fleetwood. Music by Maria
& John. Info: www.evergreenclub.org
Sunday, February 18: St. Valentine’s Dance at the Coplay Sängerbund. Music by the Emil
Schanta Band. Info: www.coplaysaengerbund.com
Sunday, February 25: The Josef Kroboth Orchestra at the Coplay Sängerbund. Info:
www.coplaysaengerbund.com
NEW BRITAIN, CT
Friday-Sunday, 1-8 pm: Biergarten is open. Austrian Donau Club, 545 Arch Street.
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5) BURGENLAND EMIGRANT OBITUARIES
Karolina Jones (née Lagler)
Karolina Helen Jones, 96,
Twin Oaks Assisted Living, Williamsport, Maryland, formerly of Smithsburg, Maryland passed on to her heavenly
reward on Saturday, January 13th, at Doey's House in Hagerstown.
Born April 1, 1927 in Sopron (Ödenburg), Hungary, she was the eldest child of the late Heinrich and Elisabeth
Lagler.
She is survived by her two sons, Alvin W. Jones II (Liz) of Williamsport, Maryland, and David H. Jones (Karen) of
Glenville, Pennsylvania, her grandchildren Kathleen Jones, Chelsea Blaise (Kevin), Alex Jones, and Abigail
Kellerman (Matthew), and great grandchildren Avery and Luke Blaise. She is also survived by her brother Robert
Lagler (Ruth) and Margaret Bayer, and several nieces and nephews of Karlsruhe, Germany.
She is preceded in death by her parents and her husband, Command Sergeant Major (Retired) Alvin W. Jones. She met
and married Alvin who was the love of her life, in post-war Linz, Austria, and together they shared over 70 years
of marriage including tours in Japan, Hawaii, Germany, Pennsylvania, and Maryland until Alvin's retirement and
their settling in Smithsburg. She was a proud Army spouse and Naturalized Citizen of the United States. Karolina
was a devoted wife, mother and grandmother. She loved to sew, cook, bake and take care of her family. For over 50
years she was a dedicated and faithful member of the Germantown Church of God, Cascade, MD where she and Alvin
served in various ministries of their Church. She was also preceded in death by her brother, Heinrich Lagler of
Karlsruhe Germany.
A memorial service will be held at the Douglas A. Fiery Funeral Home, 1331 Eastern Boulevard North, Hagerstown,
Maryland on Saturday, January 20th @ 11:00 am. Pastor Jeff Harner will officiate the service. The family will
receive friends between 10 and 11 AM. A private interment will be held at Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington,
Virginia where she will be buried beside her beloved husband Alvin. In lieu of flowers, memorial donations may be
made to Hospice of Washington County, MD or the Germantown Church of God, Cascade Maryland. The family wishes to
express their sincere thanks to the staff of Twin Oaks Assisted Living at the Williamsport Retirement Village,
Hospice of Washington County and Doey's House for their compassion and excellent care. Online condolences may be
expressed at www.douglasfiery.com
Mary Burger (née Kroboth)
Mary K. Burger was born on
September 7, 1925 in Kroatisch Ehrensdorf, Austria, and died on December 28, 2023 in Springfield, Illinois. She
was the first of four daughters born to Karl and Anna (Flandorfer) Kroboth.
The family immigrated to the United States in 1930, arriving through Ellis Island. Settling in NYC, Mary attended
elementary school and George Washington High School. Throughout her early years, Mary learned English and taught
her parents how to read and write the language. Following graduation and working in the city, Mary met her future
husband, Larry Burger, who was a Merchant Mariner on leave. They married and eventually moved to Decatur,
Illinois, where they raised their family of four children. Mary was a homemaker but also worked in the Decatur
Public School district, after the children were on their way, and volunteered at St. Mary's Hospital and Dove,
Inc. After Larry's death in 1995, Mary continued to live in Decatur, enjoying her many long-term friendships. She
eventually moved to Springfield, Illinois and continued to cultivate new friendships at Concordia Village, where
she lived independently for over 10 years. Mary had many interests. She was an avid reader, which she instilled in
her children. She was an ace at bridge and any other card game she played. First thing every morning, she read the
newspaper and worked on the daily crossword in ink. Her grasp of the English language was phenomenal and she could
spell any word you asked. Mary traveled to many countries and was able to visit and reconnect with family in
Austria. A great conversationalist, she was especially interested in current events but was mindful of not talking
politics outside of the family. A devout Catholic, she leaned heavily on her faith and was an inspiration on
living a decent life, helping others when she could, and lending a sympathetic ear. The family will deeply miss
her kindness and unconditional love.
Mary was preceded in death by her husband, Finis Lorenz "Larry" Burger; son, Jerry Burger; parents; sisters, Anna
Kroboth and Hilda DeYoreo; brothers-in-law, Walter Burger and Ralph DeYoreo; and nephew, John Burger.
She is survived by her children, Carol (Pierre) Radochonski, Sandy (Chris, dec.) Schinneer, and Jim Burger;
grandchildren, Matt (Amy) Radochonski, Sam (Lisa) Radochonski, Colleen (Michael) Milne, and Lauren (partner Brian
Rubey) Schinneer; great grandchildren, Jackson and Andrew Radochonski, Charlie and Mila Radochonski, and Rhys and
Elliot Milne; sister, Rose Burger; nieces & nephews, Rosemary Whiteman, Donna Stone, Walter Burger III, Ralph
DeYoreo, Rick Burger, Kathy Lowry, Jane DeYoreo and Michael Burger; and daughter-in-law, Lynn Burger. She will be
remembered as a loving daughter, wife, mother, sister, aunt, Grandma and Gigi.
Cremation was provided by Lincoln Land Cremation Society. The family will host a Memorial Gathering at 10:00 a.m.
on Friday, January 12, 2024, at Concordia Village Tree of Life Chapel, Springfield IL, followed by a Memorial
Service with Chaplain Jeffery Harter officiating. Private burial will take place at Boiling Springs Cemetery in
Decatur, IL. Special thanks to the Concordia Village staff, especially Mary, Rachel and Kayle. In lieu of flowers,
please consider a donation in Mary's name to St. Mary's Hospital, Decatur, IL; Dove, Inc., Decatur, IL; or
Concordia Village Benevolent Fund, Springfield, IL. To send flowers to the family or plant a tree in memory of
Mary, please visit our floral store.
Obituary published on Legacy.com by Lincoln Land Cremation Society on Jan. 9, 2024.
Veronica Debiak (née Kopitar)
Veronica Debiak, 97, of
Clifton, New Jersey, passed away on January 2, 2024. Born in St. Michael im Burgenland, Austria, to the late
Hermann and Veronika (Mikolitsch) Kopitar, she came to the US in 1927 and lived in Passaic before moving to
Clifton in 1958. A parishioner of St. John Kanty RC Church, Clifton, Veronica was a member of the SJK Golden
Circle. A former parishioner of Holy Trinity RC Church, Passaic, Veronica was a member of the
Burgenländer-American Benefit Society, Passaic.
Beloved wife of the late Matthew Debiak, Sr. who passed away in 1989. Devoted mother of Nancy Peskosky of Clifton
and her late husband Paul, Robert Debiak and his wife Cynthia of East Hanover, and the late Matthew Debiak, Jr.,
and his wife Janet of Clifton. Loving grandmother of Laura Tresca and her husband Michael, Paul Peskosky, Jr., &
his wife Raquel, Christine Peskosky & her partner Alex Murphy, Benjamin Debiak, Christopher Debiak and his wife
Alessandra, Emily Grubb and her husband Joe, and Kimberly Siery. Cherished great grandmother of Emma and Lilyana
Tresca.
Visiting Thursday 4-8 PM at the Shook Funeral Home, 639 Van Houten Ave., Clifton. Funeral Friday 8:45 AM at the
funeral home and 10 AM at St. John Kanty RC Church, Clifton. Interment, Calvary Cemetery, Paterson. To plant trees
in memory, please visit the Sympathy Store.
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END OF NEWSLETTER (Even good things must end!)
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